windows vista build 5308 ctp bloatware

I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Kevin John Panzke wrote:

I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Anybody could have told you any recent version of Windows is bloated by comparing it to other operating systems. Debian still ships with a 386 with 32 MB of RAM as minimum requirements (and I work with some hardware that barely meets those requirements, with no intention of replacing them anytime soon...we're about to get eaten alive on licensing costs for a different set of hardware that needs a newer version of Windows for $SPECIALTY_PROG from a vendor we don't pull enough weight with to get exactly what we need, so the 386s get to stay in play for another generation...).
-- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): baloo@ursine.ca Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber

Please define "bloatware" in the context of a beta operating system....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote:
| I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) | and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer | (Spyware Free).

Bloatware means that it is so heavy it does not float, and that it blows (or sucks, the direction is relative). If you combine those 2 words Float+Blows= Bloat the "ware" means it is a program or group of code.
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message

Please define "bloatware" in the context of a beta operating system....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote:
| I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) | and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer | (Spyware Free).

Another definition might be given using Einstein's theory of space time.
BLOAT = Bend Light Or/Also Time
Only immensely massive objects can do this, like a star that has collapsed under its own weight creating a gravitational pull not even light can escape. Or Microsoft Vista trying to push the whole hardware market out of slumbering sales by artificially skyrocketing the hardware requiems of PC's.
Now all you have to do is combine that hard science with some mystery and paranormal:
The "ware" addition to the word comes from myths of "ware"wolves and vampires, and is added to remind us that MS is here to suck your blood and life energy with ghoulishly things like DRM, WPA and EULA. Definitions of those dastardly things on my next post, although from the sound of them I am sure you know they are hideous.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message

Please define "bloatware" in the context of a beta operating system....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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"Kevin John Panzke" wrote:
| I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) | and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer | (Spyware Free).

Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

John Jay Smith wrote:

Another definition might be given using Einstein's theory of space time.
BLOAT = Bend Light Or/Also Time
Only immensely massive objects can do this, like a star that has collapsed under its own weight creating a gravitational pull not even light can escape. Or Microsoft Vista trying to push the whole hardware market out of slumbering sales by artificially skyrocketing the hardware requiems of PC's.

Hardware requiems! Are they as good as those of Mozart & Brahms?

Now all you have to do is combine that hard science with some mystery and paranormal:
The "ware" addition to the word comes from myths of "ware"wolves and vampires, and is added to remind us that MS is here to suck your blood and life energy with ghoulishly things like DRM, WPA and EULA. Definitions of those dastardly things on my next post, although from the sound of them I am sure you know they are hideous.

That's "werewolves". I see your system isn't bloated with a dictionary or a spellchecker.

What did you expect? With all the added features that are going to be in Vista, I would have to say it should be a bigger program. I for one, am looking forward to this version.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Some percentage of the new features announced for Vista are not included yet.
Ed
"Jason" wrote in message

What did you expect? With all the added features that are going to be in Vista, I would have to say it should be a bigger program. I for one, am looking forward to this version.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Some are not accessable. I am sure that the code is somewhere in there, but MS has not made it accessable. Also look at all the added things. UAP, major change with Windows Mail (seach, spam), Windows Defender, Parental Controls, Glass features. Those are just some that I can think of right now.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Ed Dixon" wrote in message

Some percentage of the new features announced for Vista are not included yet.
Ed
"Jason" wrote in message What did you expect? With all the added features that are going to be in Vista, I would have to say it should be a bigger program. I for one, am looking forward to this version.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Thus far, I see most of those as steps backwards. The things that seem to make the most difference (like Windows defender) as available as free downloads for earlier versions of windows. Same for many third party tools that do that same kind of other things much better.
Ed
"Jason" wrote in message

Some are not accessable. I am sure that the code is somewhere in there, but MS has not made it accessable. Also look at all the added things. UAP, major change with Windows Mail (seach, spam), Windows Defender, Parental Controls, Glass features. Those are just some that I can think of right now.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Ed Dixon" wrote in message Some percentage of the new features announced for Vista are not included yet.
Ed
"Jason" wrote in message What did you expect? With all the added features that are going to be in Vista, I would have to say it should be a bigger program. I for one, am looking forward to this version.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).

Im a peirs anthony fan... Its warewolves when talking about software.
the "requiems" is BECAUSE of the spell checker....
Your attitude is noted.

"Mike Williams" wrote in message

John Jay Smith wrote: Another definition might be given using Einstein's theory of space time.
BLOAT = Bend Light Or/Also Time
Only immensely massive objects can do this, like a star that has collapsed under its own weight creating a gravitational pull not even light can escape. Or Microsoft Vista trying to push the whole hardware market out of slumbering sales by artificially skyrocketing the hardware requiems of PC's.
Hardware requiems! Are they as good as those of Mozart & Brahms?
Now all you have to do is combine that hard science with some mystery and paranormal:
The "ware" addition to the word comes from myths of "ware"wolves and vampires, and is added to remind us that MS is here to suck your blood and life energy with ghoulishly things like DRM, WPA and EULA. Definitions of those dastardly things on my next post, although from the sound of them I am sure you know they are hideous.
That's "werewolves". I see your system isn't bloated with a dictionary or a spellchecker.

John Jay Smith wrote:

Im a peirs anthony fan... I'm sure he prefers Piers.

Its warewolves when talking about software.
the "requiems" is BECAUSE of the spell checker....

Blaming one's misconfigured tools ...tch tch.

Your attitude is noted.

I think you mean "notable".

Are you a MVP?

So it's got more files than the previous version. Of course it does, it does more than XP! You're stating the obvious here, but number of files doesn't automatically make it bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message

Update: I ran a Virus Scan (using Avast 4.7 Home Edition) and it Scanned almost a Full 130,000 Files (Virus Free), so it is definitely Bloatware.
"Kevin John Panzke" wrote in message I just ran a Microsoft Defender Full Scan on Windows Vista (Build 5308 CTP) and it turns out that I have almost a Full 150,000 Objects on my computer (Spyware Free).